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		<title>By: Steve Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also... sorry about the delay in your response getting posted. I&#039;ve been getting a lot of spam lately and have installed a spam blocker. For some reason the spam-blocker flagged your response. Luckily, I usually scan through them every few days... so I rescued it.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230; sorry about the delay in your response getting posted. I&#8217;ve been getting a lot of spam lately and have installed a spam blocker. For some reason the spam-blocker flagged your response. Luckily, I usually scan through them every few days&#8230; so I rescued it.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.cgwerks.com/steveblog/2007/01/09/macworld-eve/comment-page-1/#comment-2084</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robin,

Very true about Spotlight. I think this is how some of my &#039;non-NoteBook&#039; friends keep organized. They just put everything in text files and search them with Spotlight. But, I really like NoteBook a lot. I use it daily.... pretty much all the time I&#039;m at my computer actually.

The things that really sold me on NoteBook were the way to-dos worked. I like that I can put to-dos on various project pages, and still see them all on the to-do index page. I put a tab to that page right at the bottom and flip there often. Using various keywords, due-dates, and priorities, you can keep pretty organized with it. The other thing was that the data-file is actually a &#039;package&#039; folder structure. When you drag a file into NoteBook and it embeds, it really is just sitting in a folder... so I&#039;m not too afraid I will be unable to get the file back out some day.

I still have made no decisions on the citation software. I just haven&#039;t had much time to evaluate them all enough to choose. One of these days I&#039;ll get around to it. But, I still wish there were just some simple app that just did the formatting and conversion, and was easy to use.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robin,</p>
<p>Very true about Spotlight. I think this is how some of my &#8216;non-NoteBook&#8217; friends keep organized. They just put everything in text files and search them with Spotlight. But, I really like NoteBook a lot. I use it daily&#8230;. pretty much all the time I&#8217;m at my computer actually.</p>
<p>The things that really sold me on NoteBook were the way to-dos worked. I like that I can put to-dos on various project pages, and still see them all on the to-do index page. I put a tab to that page right at the bottom and flip there often. Using various keywords, due-dates, and priorities, you can keep pretty organized with it. The other thing was that the data-file is actually a &#8216;package&#8217; folder structure. When you drag a file into NoteBook and it embeds, it really is just sitting in a folder&#8230; so I&#8217;m not too afraid I will be unable to get the file back out some day.</p>
<p>I still have made no decisions on the citation software. I just haven&#8217;t had much time to evaluate them all enough to choose. One of these days I&#8217;ll get around to it. But, I still wish there were just some simple app that just did the formatting and conversion, and was easy to use.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Crabill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Crabill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:
I migrated to your blog from the Circus Ponies Notebook forum, where I ran across some posts of yours and learned that we live in the same town!

I am very new to NoteBook but am just now trying it; bought it at MacWorld last month after deliberating for a few years. I do need an organizer of some sort, although as some have pointed out in the NoteBook forum, Spotlight has changed the ballgame a bit as far as finding &quot;lost&quot; items on your computer. 

But it seems like the good old outline format (it got me through many school papers, after all) will force some structure onto my &quot;data soup&quot; -- the results of years of online searching (databases, internet, emails) -- so that some of my longterm interests/&quot;projects&quot; actually get developed and see print. 

I also wouldn&#039;t mind if my 7th grade son also took up NoteBook (he&#039;s very computery anyway), since I&#039;ve watched him write school projects and critiqued the results: he just sits down &amp; cranks it out without any organization that I can see (I jokingly refer to this method as the &quot;blathertron&quot;, since it&#039;s done on the computer).

Maybe by now you have found your answer about the various citation manager software available. I have tried only EndNote, and finally bought it a year or so after using an ancient copy for years. I use it just as a database for info on articles &amp; books, and still have never used it in conjunction with Word or done database searching using its interface. So I don&#039;t have an answer for you on which program formats the best. 

You&#039;re welcome to look at my EndNote manual or try the program if you&#039;re interested. Just let me know --

Robin
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Steve Wilkinson
Posted Fri November 10 2006 01:32 AM	Hide Post
Hehe... yes, I&#039;d love to check it out too!

Somewhat OT.... does anyone know which of the &#039;citation&#039; apps might be best just to do the formatting of the citations themselves?

At this point, I don&#039;t really care how integrated it is to the word processor... and like others here, don&#039;t really need the app to store all the documents, articles, etc.

I just want an app to store and format the citation info for all the books and articles I use and research. I tend to use primarily Turabian, also APA, MLA, and I try to use actual footnotes when I am allowed to, but also would like it to do inline notes and bibliography formatting.

I&#039;ve tried to demo several of the products, but they are all overkill for this... and yet, don&#039;t seem so great at this part which is critical to me. I agree, they seem more focused on document management, which I don&#039;t really need. (Many also seem weak on the &#039;footnote&#039; formating, and just do inline and bibliography well.)

-Steve
 	
Posts: 15 &#124; Location: San Anselmo, CA, USA &#124; Registered: Thu September 08 2005</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:<br />
I migrated to your blog from the Circus Ponies Notebook forum, where I ran across some posts of yours and learned that we live in the same town!</p>
<p>I am very new to NoteBook but am just now trying it; bought it at MacWorld last month after deliberating for a few years. I do need an organizer of some sort, although as some have pointed out in the NoteBook forum, Spotlight has changed the ballgame a bit as far as finding &#8220;lost&#8221; items on your computer. </p>
<p>But it seems like the good old outline format (it got me through many school papers, after all) will force some structure onto my &#8220;data soup&#8221; &#8212; the results of years of online searching (databases, internet, emails) &#8212; so that some of my longterm interests/&#8221;projects&#8221; actually get developed and see print. </p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t mind if my 7th grade son also took up NoteBook (he&#8217;s very computery anyway), since I&#8217;ve watched him write school projects and critiqued the results: he just sits down &amp; cranks it out without any organization that I can see (I jokingly refer to this method as the &#8220;blathertron&#8221;, since it&#8217;s done on the computer).</p>
<p>Maybe by now you have found your answer about the various citation manager software available. I have tried only EndNote, and finally bought it a year or so after using an ancient copy for years. I use it just as a database for info on articles &amp; books, and still have never used it in conjunction with Word or done database searching using its interface. So I don&#8217;t have an answer for you on which program formats the best. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome to look at my EndNote manual or try the program if you&#8217;re interested. Just let me know &#8211;</p>
<p>Robin<br />
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<p>Steve Wilkinson<br />
Posted Fri November 10 2006 01:32 AM	Hide Post<br />
Hehe&#8230; yes, I&#8217;d love to check it out too!</p>
<p>Somewhat OT&#8230;. does anyone know which of the &#8216;citation&#8217; apps might be best just to do the formatting of the citations themselves?</p>
<p>At this point, I don&#8217;t really care how integrated it is to the word processor&#8230; and like others here, don&#8217;t really need the app to store all the documents, articles, etc.</p>
<p>I just want an app to store and format the citation info for all the books and articles I use and research. I tend to use primarily Turabian, also APA, MLA, and I try to use actual footnotes when I am allowed to, but also would like it to do inline notes and bibliography formatting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to demo several of the products, but they are all overkill for this&#8230; and yet, don&#8217;t seem so great at this part which is critical to me. I agree, they seem more focused on document management, which I don&#8217;t really need. (Many also seem weak on the &#8216;footnote&#8217; formating, and just do inline and bibliography well.)</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
<p>Posts: 15 | Location: San Anselmo, CA, USA | Registered: Thu September 08 2005</p>
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